%PDF-1.6 %���� The answer depends on two factors: the kind of line I'm using, and what I want the fly to do. Or using no sink tips. I'd use a shorter leader with a sink tip, but without a sink tip that's what I'd go with. There are multiple presentations you can use to allow your nymph to get in the right zone and drift in a natural way. If hinging is a problem for you, by all means use the nail knot method. "=��5X�L���%`�`6DV DrE��\��v��Q ��,X$����&��HI! I try to keep the leader a bit shorter than the rod. In the fall season I have only hooked up with Chinook and was lucky enough to get that Atlantic a few weeks back on an egg fly pattern. Be advised though that as the butt sections get shorter and the taper and tippet get longer, the leader will become harder to cast. Other formulas such as double taper formulas offer 40%,20%,40%, but for the most part, formulas are. ↳   Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, ↳   Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, ↳   Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. Below you see a couple of randomly selected knotted, tapered leader formulas. Hey guys, sorry I wasn’t clear enough. I will be adding no weight. You can scale up standard trout formulas but I don’t like George Harvey for these you need the fly to turn over. by bassman » 10/06/17 15:52, Post I find myself getting a little upset. Features of John Nagy "Hot Butt" Leader and Indy Kit: -The "hot butt" section of the leader is constructed of fluorescent orange Sunset Amnesia which acts as a strike indicator when high-stick nymphing. Pair all sizes with 2-7 weight rods for optimal performance. 35 0 obj <> endobj That's not for a bobber setup. You could build leaders that are as little as 40% or even 30% butt. When I use the 9.5" leader formula above, the total leader length winds up being 10' or more just from the extra amount of material added for the knots. Good luck with this new leader formula! You either tied your lure directly to your line, or, if you wanted to get fancy, you used a snap swivel to add flexibility to your rig. by BrownBear » 10/06/17 20:03, Post Spey hooks. by BrownBear » 10/07/17 09:12, Post Steelhead/Salmon Tapered Leader Formulas For: Maxima Leader. Go to a site specific to your question, spell out where and when you're fishing, and there's plenty of people out there to help you. This board is for discussing concerns of fishing bamboo fly rods. Nymphing for steelhead is a great second option as a follow up for stubborn fish. I agree with big tj. 30 lb. This is where anglers go to discover, create and share the newest leader formulas for fly fishing - from your local stream to remote locations like Belize, you will find that perfect rig right here, and if not - … There are some steelhead swinging river bums on here and hopefully one of them can help you narrow down your quest. �*v��>PU/ %�U by novisor12 » 10/06/17 21:14, Post I don't use them. I tend to err on the side of leaving too much material for blood knots, so the 8" sections are usually a bit longer. Use a 6- to 9-foot leader, depending on conditions. After all, if you were a spin fisherman, as I was back in the mid 80s, your terminal end tended to be pretty basic. The leader formula used is a standard 60/20/20 where the leader consists of … George Daniel explains the advantages of euro lines over traditional WF and DT lines. I will Be using the rod I built based on Dickerson guide special. if use a 9 foot leader. Leadercalc currently contains 2791 leaders for fly fishing, so there are enough to choose from. Tim Flagler of Tightline Productions demonstrates how to make a tapered leader, here a 10-ft 4X tapered leader. 20 lb. I use Maxima ultra green 40/30/ for the butt 20/15/12 for the transition and 10 for the tippet. For most fishing scenarios, 2-4 feet of leader material is sufficient. You can attach this piece of leader material to the exposed monofilament tip of the Poly/Versi a couple of different ways. Well for fishing largemouths, we made our own tapered leaders; fly line to 2ft of 20 lb test, then 2ft of 14lb test, then 2ft of 10 lb test, and 2 1/2 feet of 6lb test, but when fishing around heavy cover with subsurface flies, omit the six and use 10 instead, and when fishing poppers or hair bugs we went straight 20lb test for 4 feet, and then 14lb test for 4ft, and then the fly. Leaders used for “short-line” nymphing methods, where you are fishing in close proximity to steelhead lies and using “high-stick” rod positioning, should have stiff butt and mid-sections (about 60 to 75% of the overall leader length) to turn over split-shot, indicators and weighted flies. derivatives of the 60/20/20 rule. How in the world do you get that long tippet to turn over a fly in the wind? %%EOF The most common formula basis for the leader is 60% butt, 20% taper, 20% tippet. Big difference between a 9' single handed and a 12' or longer two handed. Currently LeaderCalc contains 2703 different leader formulas covering just about every fly fishing situation you can think of. I need a new leader formula for this year. Rio Fluoroflex Fluorocarbon. You can scale up standard trout formulas but I don’t like George Harvey for these you need the fly to turn over. Whenever possible, do not connect monofilament pieces differin… Most fly fishing leaders use a 60/20/20 formula in which 60 percent of the total leader length is the butt, 20 percent is the middle tapered section, and 20 percent is the tippet. If you want to make leaders in the simplest fashion, you can also try our Dennison Leader Making Vise for just $8.95. by Colbeebryan » 10/07/17 00:14, Post 04X 02X 01X 1X .024 .022 .020 .017 .015 .013 .012 .010 40 lb. If they aren’t aggressive enough, or if it’s too cold to move and intercept a swing increasing the convenience factor of the offering with a deep slow dead drift can often produce where the swing did not. Once tied, secure the heavy end of the leader by either a loop-to-loop connection or nail knot to the fly line; the fly is tied to the end of the leader with your preferred knot. There are other leader formulas out there, but this is a great starting point that can be easily modified to suit your fishing style. Use these leader formulas to target steelhead fly fishing and angling. ↳   Information About Makers and Manufacturers, ↳   Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. Size 2 to 8. Do you build your own? They all seem to be drunk as far as I can tell. Pre-tied on the other end of the micro swivel is 8lb Maxima Ultragreen; the most commonly used size of tippet when steelhead fishing. Examples would be, lines, actions, classic and modern makers actions and the like. h��[َGv� ?� c�b_`� ��D@#kHΈp�Z���f7�]��#�`���O�9'"������`l?TfT�XnDܸ{&?�)�ɚ2�8ـW�,~)O��)��7�:9�l&W��C���l�9Mٳ��#e��c��P��J6h��E�#���4m Below that, is a Raven Micro Swivel to allow easy changing of tippet material. ↳   Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella..... ↳   Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Randomly selected: Schweitzer's Streamer Smallmouth Deep-Down - posted in Fly Fishing: Hey guys, Been on the fly for about 3 years now but really want to get into the steelhead this season. Even if conditions might suit that better. by BigTJ » 10/06/17 19:26, Post by BigTJ » 10/06/17 21:45, Post As a result, leader changes are easy, as compared to re nail-knotting your leader to the fly line every time. by Colbeebryan » 10/06/17 15:23, Post Best thing that ever happened to my fly fishing." It should be supple for good presentation. It is a 10ft leader from the butt to the end of the tippet. This a good leader for a typical trout nymphing rig. This new leader with the soft nylon will give you top performance. Whether you need it short for tying off of a RIO Outbound Short Streamer line or to get the right leader for your two handed set up, there are leaders designed for every conceivable use. The water I will be fishing will be 3-6 feet deep. See the leader formulas done by George Harvey and Joe Humphries. He proceeded to grab my leader and put on 2 large splitshot (which he had stored in his mouth) and said give that a try. 0 We think it’s an incredible resource and encourage you to give it a try! The butt section is 60% of the total length. Also, the simple skills you pick up by making your own leaders will help you repair your old leaders in order to get more usage out of them. Brody Blood asks:" How long of a leader do you use for fishing big articulated streamers off a 200 250 grain streamer line? Leaders are constructed of 3 sections: the butt, taper and tippet. They both designed leaders for Maxima, although George has since gone to soft mono and designed new leaders based on that. 20# maxima chameleon to 12# maxima chameleon to 8# maxima ultragreen. 83 0 obj <>stream h�b``�d``Z����Uq�01G��$30D13h=�_�h������E �������D�����`�� ����O+C�����Jvp�TA�b�L\��>�M��,\� Pmbf���. It says it’s a 7: but It’s more like an 8 weight imo. The taper is the section between the butt and the tippet, and it should be short. Butt. One of the most frequent questions I get asked is, "What's your streamer leader formula?" 15 lb. Also, what depth are you trying to get your flies down to? Click on the name, category or other elements to see more. by Colbeebryan » 10/06/17 20:18, Post I use a longer leader with floating line because I can mend and get the fly down deeper faster. The butt section should be made from stiff monofilament in order to transfer energy well. by novisor12 » 10/09/17 06:55, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. 8’ for my 8.5’ single hands and 10’ for 11’ 2 Hands. I use wf floating line . I received some inquiries about the Euronymphing leader I used on last week’s steelhead trip to the Salmon River’s Lower Fly Zone. I caught a fish on like the 3rd cast into that same run I had been fishing for the past hour without success. Walking speed. If you are swinging flies with a sinking line, you should use a shorter leader to insure that your fly get down in the striking zone. If you are trying to match rod length for a 2 hander the 12’ Steelhead/Salmon Leader is good as well. Stiffer materials in the back half or 2/3 will dramatically improve your ability to turn over the leader- especially in the wind or with larger flies. I recently received a letter from Bill Stieger from St. Paul, an outdoor writer and fly fisherman of note, saying, "Thanks again for all the trout your leader formula allowed me to catch. The tippet is the section that presents the fly to the fish. Back in the 50's, 60's and even into the 70's. The chart below shows a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being the most ideal condition for each technique. A lot depends on where you are fishing but the following might be a good starting point. endstream endobj startxref Post 1x – 3x: Great for large predator fish like bass, large trout, carp, and steelhead. A 12- or 13-foot spey rod is sufficient in most cases for Skagit or Scandi spey lines. (Just like all the books tell you to fish lol). 25 lb. ↳   Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. It’s a single hand, 8 foot. A great leader for those two handed rod fellas too. I probably shouldn’t admit this, but leaders and tippets confused the heck out of me when I first started fly fishing. The smaller the number, the thicker the leader. For single-hand rods, a 9-foot 8-weight will do the trick. ��)����"����?L@wn���HW�?�۷ � y Weighted Tungsten sink tips? 12 lb. In my knotted leader days, '70's through early '90's before I went to furled leader butts, I was using Maxima and building them to George and Joe's instructions. In this day of upscale equipment and state of the art fly rods, vests, etc. For me, I'd get a steelhead furled from Zen Outfitters, one sinker and one floater, and tie a 6' length of Maxima or Fluoro to suit your river conditions and go with it. 62 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<2534DF8371601B4DB8C160E33A562FF0><4CFDACB0E33C964E8A563DA31BA2191B>]/Index[35 49]/Info 34 0 R/Length 124/Prev 692789/Root 36 0 R/Size 84/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream The first method is to tie on the leader material much like how you typically add tippet to a leader, using either a blood knot or surgeon's knot. Current speeds? Or is that an indicator set up? That’s about it. The design of this leader is identical to the leader formula found in John Nagy's Steelhead Guide book. The leader formulas given here are only presented as guide-lines. endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 0/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <>stream Here it is, along with the fly line and backing I used: 150 yards of 30# backing Royal Wulff #6 Triangle Taper floating fly lineContinue Reading About 3' 20#, 2' 12#, 4' 8#. I use Maxima ultra green 40/30/ for the butt 20/15/12 for the transition and 10 for the tippet. This AIRFLO Fluorocarbon formula is my choice for steelhead and salmon, not their other fluoro brands, which seem better aligned as trout and small fly leaders (they are softer and more supple). F��bYq*��䧯��. Anyway, I decided to start tying my own steelhead leaders. by fishbum » 10/06/17 17:19, Post Pick up the segment of 20 lb test and cross it over the non-loop end of the first segment in … It looked to me like about 10x too much weight. (Trip details here; my personal lessons learned here.) Thicker leaders are designed to cast heavier flies and catch bigger fish. When I'm fishing streamers for trout, I fish two kinds of lines: either an integrated full-sink line or a floater.… Maybe 60% butt 25% transition 15% tippet. There's a reason the nuts who chase those things swinging hour after hour carry a couple of pounds of different head weights, lengths, sinker T-types, and end up with rotator cuff surgery. I tie a surgeons loop on the butt for a loop to loop knot to the fly line and the lines I put together with a surgeons knot. In reality, my tapered leaders wind up being a little longer than stated above. Out of all the different ways to catch steelhead, nymphing is by far the most common and easiest way to catch a steelhead. Maybe 60% butt 25% transition 15% tippet. What are you swinging with? I almost always use T-tips though. h�bbd```b``f��@$�F��? Tapered Leader Formula. LeaderCalc will find you a whole bunch of leader formulas and information about each based on your criteria. Steelhead leaders. I hope that is for a bobber, If you need longer leaders, pay attention to the stiffness of the butt. by BigTJ » 10/07/17 00:26. 8 lb. Is this a good recipe: Butt section is 3ft of 25lb mono, middle is 3ft of 17lb mono, and the end, which is also the tippet, it 4ft of 10lb mono. These hand tied leaders consist of two 36″ sections of maxima leader material spliced together using a blood knot. 10 lb. Flies like lady Caroline, purple peril, greenbutt. Page 1 of 2 - What's your go-to Steelhead leader setup? I probably use smaller than average streamers but I don't have trouble turning the fly over. This is an old time dependable for my saltwater and salmon/steelhead fishing. Maybe its because I'm older, retired, and a cheap skate. 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