As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places: Selected Sermons and Writings of President Harold B. Lee, pp. Esau was unfit to serve as firstborn. Much has been made of verse 23, and what the precise wording of “after all we can do” means. According to Reynolds and Sjodahl, Babylon was one of the great cities of the ancient world, perhaps the greatest. Deuteronomy 6:14. Nephi uses these chapters to explain some of the words of Isaiah that he included in the previous chapters. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do” (Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2001, p. 18). Don’t you let anyone try to persuade you to any other doctrine than that. The question we must ask is what did Joseph Smith, the “translator” of the Book of Mormon, mean when he wrote the word “after” in this verse? Other leaders have agreed with Lee’s interpretation of the verse, including: Apostle David A. Bednar (after citing 2 Nephi 25:23): “Certainly, ‘we believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel’ (Articles of Faith 1:3)” (David A. Bednar, “Therefore They Hushed Their Fears,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2015, p. 49). ☼ 2 Nephi 25:21–22: Wherefore, for this cause hath the Lord God promised unto me that these things which I write shall be kept and preserved, and handed down unto my seed, from generation to generation, that the promise may be fulfilled unto Joseph, that his seed should never perish as long as the earth should stand. Note: The following was originally printed in the November/December 2018 edition of Mormonism Researched. No matter how hard we work, how diligently we serve, or how righteously we live, we will never deserve more than we receive (p. 311). 2 Nephi 2:19 Adam and Eve (Illustration): Chart: A Latter-Day Saint View of Adam. My daughter Carissa has a master’s degree in English. Brackets in original). Posts Tagged ‘2 Nephi 25:23 vs. Ephesians 2:8-9’ Mormon Dilemma 154. Second Nephi 25:23 continues to emphasize the necessity of obedience to the commandments of God for a person to obtain exaltation and godhood. Nephi . What is meant by “after all we can do”? In the Old and New Testaments most of the people of Israel failed to understand and properly observe the law of Moses, which had been given to help them learn about Christ and come unto Him. After whom is the king of Israel come out? For example, the ordinance of baptism is given us for the remission of sins, for entrance into the kingdom–a new birth; the gift of the Holy Ghost gives us the right to companionship with one of the Godhead; administration to the sick qualified the individual with faith for a special blessing; by paying our tithing, the windows of heaven may be opened unto us; by fasting and by praying our fast offerings, we are told that then we might call on the Lord and He will hear our cry and our call; celestial marriage promises us that family life will exist beyond the grave. He looked at me and smiled. Ellipsis in original). What would the Lord accomplish with "a marvelous work and a wonder"? And I agree with the same conclusion. “We are saved by grace in pursuit of all we can do”—this doesn’t fit. According to the English dictionary contemporary with Joseph Smith and the production of the Book of Mormon, the meaning of “after” as a preposition has the following meanings: After I have arisen, I will go before you into Galilee. Doesn’t the book of James say that “faith without works is dead”? You must keep the laws and ordinances of Christ. Later in time; as, after supper. And behold, in thy childhood thou hast suffered afflictions and much sorrow, because of the rudeness of thy brethren. To judge after the sight of the eye. ☼ 2 Nephi 25:23: For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.2 … "All that we could do [was to] repent of all our sins @Deadworm, I thank you for your words and presence on this forum. The idea that “after” means “in spite of” may very well have originated with BYU professor Stephen E. Robinson. Thoughts? I was unaware that the church newsroom had doctrinal tidbits in there (thanks CV75 for pointing in that direction) and as I was browsing I came upon the entry for Grace. . Nephi explains how in 2 Nephi 25-26. He further explains the future of the Jews as well as the restoration of the gospel in the last days. To request a free subscription, please visit here. Shall Be As When God Overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah: In 2 Nephi 23:19-22 we find a prophecy of the destruction of Babylon. According to; as, consider a thing after its intrinsic value. ☼ For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. “THE LORD BLESSES US TO THE DEGREE WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. (2 Nephi 25:23) 4. LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. Many Mormons (like the missionary described at the beginning of this article) may want to soften the stringent requirements demanded by the teachings of their scriptures and leaders. In a first section, I highlight a number of ambiguities in Nephi's words that have not been sufficiently noted. Here are some internet examples of times when you would use “in spite of”: In spite of attracting an income tax raid last year, the minister kept his scams going. 2 Nephi 25:23-26. 2 Nephi 25:23-30 The Purpose of the Law of Moses. At first glance this passage seems to agree with 2 Nephi 25:23, but one of the basic principles of biblical hermeneutics (the interpretation of scripture) is that scripture within the Bible (and in LDS theology and scriptures, if it is true) cannot contradict itself. Real repentance, real change may … 2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. “Believe in Christ and to Be Reconciled to God”, “For We Know That It Is by Grace That We Are Saved”, “We Know That It Is by Grace That We Are Saved”, It is by Grace That We Are Saved, After All We Can Do, “For We Know That It Is by Grace That We Are Saved After All We Can Do”, “It Is by Grace That We Are Saved After All We Can Do”, “It is by Grace That We Are Saved After All We Can Do”. In my opinion, Verse 23 is best read in light of the entire chapter rather than quoted by itself in isolation. To understand just how unclear Nephis words are, a few interpretive questions, none of which has any obvious answer, might be asked: 1. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. Surely the Lord smiles upon one who desires to come to judgment worthily, who resolutely labors day by day to replace weakness with strength. Thoughts? In his book Believing Christ, Robinson explained: I understand the preposition “after” in 2 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. Perhaps as much as praying for mercy, we should pray for time and opportunity to work and strive and overcome. Math. The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments” (Harold B. Lee, Address at MIA Conference, 17 June 1966. My intention is to provide a three-pronged approach to interpreting the passage. It may be regarded as the ‘Mormon’ contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature.’ The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of mankind is powerfully stated by Nephi: ‘We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). (2 Nephi 25:23) Robinson is correct that “none of us actually does all he can do.” This seems to be the crux of the matter and the reason why he wishes to change the meaning of the word “after.” When commentators have a doubt about the way a biblical verse ought to be understood, the original Greek and Hebrew can be studied to determine a passage’s meaning. In other words, each must do all he can to save himself form sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. Confusing words. Tag: 2 Nephi 25:23 After “all” the Bishop Could Do, it Wasn’t Enough. 91-92). MAYBE, maybe, maybe “even after” works, but “after” by itself does not. 2 Nephi 25:30. In 2 Nephi 25, Nephi prophesies of the fate of the Jews-their rejection of the Savior, their scatterings and scourgings, and their eventual repentance. As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. The knowlege of the Messiah will be preserved. 2 Nephi 25:23 in the Book of Mormon states: “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Many Mormons say this verse doesn’t teach that salvation is based on grace and works. However, 2 Nephi 25:23 offers no support for the belief that a person is saved by grace “in spite of” one’s maximum effort. Apostle Boyd K. Packer agreed with “after” as referencing a preposition of time, saying, “Even that grace of God promised in the scriptures comes only ‘after all we can do’” (“The Brilliant Morning of Forgiveness,” Ensign, November 1995 (Conference Edition), p. 19). Behind in place; as, men placed in a line one after another. This interpretation does not fit the English grammar of the 19th or even 21st centuries, but it also does not concur with the interpretations given by many different LDS authorities. Keep the commandments of God or perish. Taken at face value, the idea that believers are saved by grace “in spite of all we can do” seems to be biblical. The true value of the sacrifice of Christ means much more than this general salvation which comes to all mankind. 2 Nevertheless, Jacob, my firstborn in the wilderness, thou knowest the greatness of God; and he shall consecrate thine a afflictions for thy gain. “We are saved by grace behind in place after all we can do”—this doesn’t fit. Much has been made of verse 23, and what the precise wording of “after all we can do” means. Emphasis mine). Grace is not merely a decorative touch or a finishing bit of trim to top off our own efforts—it is God’s participation in the process of our salvation from its beginning to … “Salvation and eternal life would not be possible if it were not for the Atonement, brought about by our Savior, to whom we owe everything. The House of Israel will be redeemed in the Millenial day. “After all we can do” includes living His commandments. Exaltation only occurs when a person has “obedience to gospel law.” Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained his interpretation of “after all we can do” when he said. Many Christians claim Mormons are not Christian and claim part of the reason for this is that Mormons believe they are saved because of their works. “We’re saved by grace in spite of all we can do,” he responded. Thank you! As we talked, I referenced 2 Nephi 25:23. But in order for these supreme blessings to be effective in our lives, we should first do our part, ‘for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ Let us with faith, enthusiasm, dedication, responsibility, and love do all that is within our reach, and we will be doing all that is possible to achieve the impossible—that is, to achieve what for the human mind is impossible but with the divine intervention of our loving Father and the infinite sacrifice brought about by our Savior becomes the greatest gift, the most glorious of realities, to live forever with God and with our families” (“Attempting the Impossible,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2009, p. 34). The scriptures make it clear that while a resurrection will come to all, only those who obey the Christ will receive the expanded blessing of eternal salvation” (Harold B. Lee, “To Ease the Aching Heart,” Ensign, April 1973, p. 5. . I was interested in (and happy with) their use of 2 Ne. He is right, being saved from sin requires two things, accepting Christ (faith) and repenting of one’s sins. In pursuit of, that is, moving behind, following; in search of. The sense is that apart from all we can do, it is ultimately by the grace of Christ that we are saved. Before citing 2 Nephi 25:23, Lee explained, “But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi” (Conference Reports, April 1956, p. 111). Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Come Unto Christ. “After all we can do” includes extending our best effort. The Lord will not again forsake his people. “Actually, I understand the preposition ‘after’ in ”2 Ne. Thus works alone cannot save us; grace is an absolute prerequisite. He cites from Ephesians that salvation is a “gift of God: not of works,” yet he still says “we will never deserve more than we receive.” Works “alone” can’t save us, he says, as “grace is an absolute prerequisite.” So, in other words, it is not by grace alone but grace and works (“saved by grace after all we can do”). (25) 2 Nephi 25:23 – A comment. This additional salvation is an individual salvation and is conditioned not only upon grace, but also upon obedience to gospel law (“Salvation and Exaltation,” Ensign, July 1972, p. 78). All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. 2 Nephi 25:26 by LDS Scripture of the Day | posted in: Book of Mormon | 0 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. (2 Nephi 25:23–24, 26, 29) This sure knowledge of Christ, had by the Lehites, was tied to the bedrock of the personal testimonies of at least four prophets who had actually seen the Savior. 2 NEPHI 25:21 – 26:11 MESSAGE TO THE CHILRDEN OF LEHI 25:22 the nations who shall possess them shall be judged . For the other five definitions, let’s see how that might work for 2 Nephi 25:23: No example can be found in the 1828 dictionary to support the idea that “after” could mean “apart from all we can do,” “all we can do notwithstanding,” “regardless of all we can do,” or “in spite of all we can do.” Thus, it is highly unlikely that any reader in Smith’s day could have understood this verse to mean anything other than a person is saved by grace after (“later in time”) all they can do. 25:23 at the end. It is not. Isaiah 11:3. As Pres. Ellipsis in original). But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi, when he said: ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ (2 Nephi 25:23.) To inquire after is to seek by asking; to ask concerning. For instance, twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball introduced 2 Nephi 25:23 by writing this: One passage in the Book of Mormon, written perhaps with the same intent as Paul’s statement above—to stress and induce appreciate for the gracious gift of salvation offered on condition of obedience—is particularly enlightening (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 207. All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. According to Nephi, what do we need in order to understand the words of Isaiah? 2 Nephi 25:2 Nephi admits that he has avoided teaching his people many things about the life among the Jews in Jerusalem – because of the wicked lifestyle of that culture. Despite being so rich, they are not very kind to people. 2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor d iligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” 25:232 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. BYU Professor Stephen Robinson explained, “At first glance at this scripture, we might think that grace is offered to us only chronologically after we have completed doing all we can do, but this is demonstrably false.” (2 Nephi 26:11) 5. Father Lehi the heavens open and “he saw One descending out of the midst of heaven, and he beheld that his luster was above that of the sun at noon-day” (1 Nephi 1:9). Ye shall not go after other Gods. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church. “ULTIMATE SALVATION COMES TO THOSE WHO OBEY. Based on what Burton said, the phrase “after all we can do” as described in 2 Nephi 25:23 is a direct reference to “individual salvation,” also known as exaltation, eternal life, and godhood. Imagine you are an Israelite living during the time of Moses and the poisonous snakes. 2 Nephi 23:19-23 Babylon . It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. Furthermore, we are invited to ‘come unto Christ, and be perfected in him.’ When we deny ourselves ‘of all ungodliness,’ then and only ‘then is his grace sufficient’ for us (Moroni 10:32)” (“Plain and Precious Truths Restored,” Ensign, October 2006, p. 53. — 2 Nephi 25:23. (2 Nephi 25:23, 26) There is no other way to be saved than through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Nephi glories in plainness—Isaiah’s prophecies will be understood in the last days—The Jews will return from Babylon, crucify the Messiah, and be scattered and scourged—They will be restored when they believe in the Messiah—He will first come six hundred years after Lehi left Jerusalem—The Nephites keep the law of Moses and believe in Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel. Nephi’s statement “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23) has been the source of much discussion among Latter-day Saints. “We are saved by grace according to all we can do”—even if this fit, it still would contradict Robinson’s interpretation. That was also the spirit of Paul’s message: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). The phrases “the manner of the Jews” is the same in John 19:40 and, “works of darkness” is same in Romans 13:12 . 2 Nephi 25:23-26. LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. The ancient prophets of this western continent have clearly set forth in understandable language the obligation of each individual to obtain the highest of these eternal privileges in mortality and in the world to come, for here we find written: ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ . 2 Nephi 25:23–24, 27. It is ironic that 2 Nephi 25:23 has often been used as ammunition by “grace only” believers who feel that the Book of Mormon somehow lessens or denies grace because it requires followers to do all the works they can do before grace can save. 2 Nephi 2. I recently asked an Evangelical, “how is one saved?” he replied, “through grace.” When I inquired what that meant, he further explained that when you accept Christ and repent, you are saved by grace. 2 Nephi 31:5-12. In my opinion, Verse 23 is best read in light of the entire chapter rather than quoted by itself in isolation. Not once have I found a general authority agreeing with the notion that “after all we can do” is the same as “in spite of all we can do,” as this missionary was telling me. I explained how I enjoy giving away 12th President Spencer Kimball’s book to Latter-day Saints walking to events sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including General Conference sessions, temple open house events, and BYU football games. 2 Nephi 25:2 Nephi admits that he has avoided teaching his people many things about the life among the Jews in Jerusalem – because of the wicked lifestyle of that culture. 2 Nephi 25:23–24, 27 May 4, 2020 23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. The poisonous snakes can represent things we don’t want to give up or sins. We are saved by grace “apart from all we can do,” or “all we can do notwithstanding,” or even “regardless of all we can do.” Another acceptable paraphrase of the sense of the verse might read, “We are still saved by grace, after all is said and done” (pp. Baptism the gate to the strait and narrow path. Its walls were, for height and width, one of the wonders of the world. And a church manual states, “The phrase ‘after all we can do’ teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with him” (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 77). If the real Nephi of 2 Nephi 25:23 does not “stand up” in the hearts and minds of Latter-day Saints, then we are going to continue to suffer from the same unacknowledged exegetical problem that has plagued us for more than a generation, damaged the otherwise sturdy soteriological bridge between the Book of Mormon and the New Testament, and constructed an unnecessary and foolish barrier between us and many non-Mormon … Imagine you are an Israelite living during the time of Moses and the poisonous snakes. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. . A-A; A+; 2 Ne 22 though thou wast angry with me thine anger is turned away. Although he now echoes Robinson’s interpretation, BYU professor Robert L. Millet previously had coauthored a Book of Mormon commentary where he had explained in 1992. Those are the best examples I could find that MIGHT fit the word “after”…but they don’t. This meaning fits the definition of time and is a natural meaning of this verse. « Previous 2 Nephi 25 Next » According to the direction and influence of. Combine that truth with the love we feel for our children, our parents, our siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, and many other people, and we have a powerful motivation to testify more frequently and in more different venues. Roberts of the Seventy (1857-1933) explained how the unconditional nature of the Atonement in regard to Adam’s transgression and its conditional nature regarding men’s personal sins is a doctrine ‘peculiar to ‘Mormonism’…and is derived almost wholly from the teachings of the Book of Mormon. (25) 2 Nephi 25:23 – A comment. Cited in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, p. 186). But what Nephi is actually writing here is a very Pauline-like statement to his children and brethren that even after all they can do under the law of Moses, which they must … 366-367). To walk after the flesh; to live after the flesh. “After all we can do” includes loving our fellowmen and praying for those who regard us as their adversary. After all, the Bible teaches that there is nothing a person can do to earn God’s favor, no matter how much effort is exerted. “We are saved by grace…” I started. Read v. 20 . This meaning is apparent from the fact that none of us actually does all he can do (p. 125). Here is what she told me: After taking a college and graduate level grammar course, I’ll admit I had to google “preposition of separation,” but after reading up on it, I don’t think it means what he thinks it means. After quoting thirteen consecutive chapters of Isaiah's writings in 2 Nephi 12-24 (Isaiah 2-14), Nephi begins to prophesy "in plainness." Regardless of the opinion given by Robinson, there are two important reasons why “after all we can do” should be understood as a preposition of time. !” I asked if he could recite it for me and he had trouble. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us” “All we have to do in order to be prepared to enter the presence of the Lord is to forsake our sins, come unto Him, call on His name, obey His voice, and keep His commandments; then we shall be able to see His face and to know that He is” (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places: Selected Sermons and Writings of President Harold B. Lee, p. 246) See also Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, p. 24). 2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor d iligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” I’m here to share my Note Sheet and Scripture Signs for 2 Nephi 11-25. 2 Nephi 31:17-21. Robinson wrote: LDS commentators are agreed that the word after in this passage is used as a preposition of separation rather than of time. “We are saved by grace in imitation of all we can do”—this doesn’t fit. Another general authority, Seventy Theodore M. Burton, cited 2 Nephi 25:23 and explained. In that distinction the beauty and glory of the Atonement, the balanced claims of justice and mercy shine forth as no where else, even in holy writ, — much less in the uninspired writings of men. 25:232 Nephi 25:23 would be that we are ultimately saved by grace apart from whatever we manage to do. Nephi tries to convince people to believe in God and be saved by his grace. Exaltation only occurs when a person has “obedience to gospel law.”. What happens if the Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with man? Hey Friends! In a first section, I highlight a number of ambiguities in Nephi's words that have not been sufficiently noted. . Why did most not look at the Brass serpent that would save them and what did the Brass serpent represent? I served on the Seminary Council and one of my assignments was to speak in Sacrament Meeting. Such a stand, while sounding “almost biblical,” is still in opposition to both Ephesians 2:8-9 that was conveniently cited as well as interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23 given by the missionary. Based on what Burton said, the phrase “after all we can do” as described in 2 Nephi 25:23 is a direct reference to “individual salvation,” also known as exaltation, eternal life, and godhood. In traditional Mormonism, grace is provided to all humanity because of obedience accomplished in Mormonism’s preexistence (i.e., all human chose Jesus rather than Lucifer to be the savior of the world). Baptism in the name of Christ. wet. But a certain amount of works (i.e., the best we have to offer) are necessary to trigger God’s grace and mercy. This word often precedes a sentence, as a governing preposition. 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